As i do legal studies, we've explored some areas of this and I'm aligned to think that abortion should be allowed. It's interesting to me that they can't make any progress at all hence jeopardizing doctors all in the effort of not upsetting the balance. Really it should be allowed in my opinion, and those whom are religious or something else should be able to just not follow abortion trends and ignore abortion if they're really that true to their religion (as well as not preach its wrong).


I know we have a fair load of religious people then non religious people such as myself here so give your opinions and so forth on this matter.

~Felix

I refuse to listen to anyones opinion on abortion until they have watched the videos that show what happens.

Being against abortion doesn't necessarily mean to view it in a religious light. I did a speech at school about this and let me tell you, abortion isn't something for you to say, 'why don't we just legalise it?'

Abortion is an ugly thing, it is done in an unthinkable manner. Early pregnancy methods of abortion include: Suction-Aspiration, Dilation and Curettage and Dilation and Evacuation. These methods include tearing the foetus apart while in the mother's womb, then sucking the scrapes out like rubbish, it's horrible and there currently isn't a way of conducting abortion humanely.

an even earlier method of abortion is using the drug, RU-486:

Well, are you for RU-486?

there was a thread of this before, it was imo an entirely pointless thread.
people are set in there beliefs on a matter such as this, there hardly going to be swayed by anyone elses opinion on the internet.
It will just stir up even more resentment towards other members on the forums, something that was "supposed" to be left at asf ( haha )

ill leave it at that.

I don't understand the anti abortion view on things.
I mean fair enough if you think that the barely formed child could have been a model or w/e, but what proposition do you have for mothers that just.. can't deal with a child? Is it just a "Too bad, not your decision" type approach, or..?

Why zero. They might understand the process of surgical/chemical abortion. What's a video have to do with whether or not someone has a valid opinion you'd listen to?

I haven't seen the videos myself, but I do know the process, in which part supports my argument because it is some evil shit. I do go to a lutheran school, a large portion of my peers are christian, lutheran etc, and sometimes a topic like this will arrise. I can't help but argue most of the time, and sometimes I wonder if they do understand the process and it's repercussions...

I personally think it is up to the mother. I will try and deter you away from the focus on "killing something with a heart beat" but more onto what would actually happen if that baby were born etc. I'm not saying all babies born to underage parents are broken or wrong or anything, often times they are great kids because they have resiliant parents. But again often kids who can't take care of children, or carry the obligation a baby carries leads them to do something stupid or wrong... I won't go as far as saying your saving the unborn kids life(or others) by getting an abortion, because I think every single one of them is able to live a happy life, but sadly sometimes that would be the case.

My 2 cents, food for thought

As I understand it, the legal / ethical issue usually revolves around:

1) at what point does a fertalised egg become an independent life, and;
2) under what circumstances (if ever) should a woman be able decide herself whether to continue to full term

Wikipedia says most people agree that our current local laws are "about right". A woman who has been impregnated is given a set number of weeks to make a choice whether to go through pregnancy, birth, and child-rearing / adoption. The government doesn't force a woman to continue with her pregnancy until she reaches her 3rd trimester. Seems pretty ethical to me.

1) Uhhh, 18 years under todays laws?

*Didn't mean to ruin your point with that response sorry, but the thing's very dependent for a long time.
IMO abortion = bad. If you have a baby on purpose that's wonderful, if you have it by accident you need to grow up and deal with the consequences.

As soon as it's heart beats it is alive, yet the choice should be there for people who can deal with it.

I say why not? it's an ugly thing sure, but so is any sort of surgery and no-one is offended as much by that. Try watching a video of any heart surgery, hell even an ankle surgery isnt' going to be a pleasant video to watch, that doesn't make it immoral

The most important thing by a long, long, long stretch is does anyone suffer, and the medical consensus is no the aborted embryo does not suffer in legal abortions, it's too young (illegal abortions, which typically happen much later in pregnancy, are another matter unfortunately)

I don't think any discussion of a moral issue will ever be resolved, as others above me have said. What I don't understand is why in some states of Australia its still illegal.

Earlier (unsure about the date) a young woman in Queensland was facing charges for having an abortion. I just took it for granted that it was all legal and the only issues surrounding it were moral. I want to pose this question to you;

Should state governments create laws surrounding abortion that protect the woman or the societies morals?

I could have easily asked that with shit loads of bias, but I'd really like to know what other/future voters think.